You want some specifics?
09/27/2009
Freedom Fighter sent me this. It needs to be spread NOW!
I don’t know what’s going on, it won’t link to the one he sent. Go to the comments on the previous post. Go to the link FF sent.
FUCK! If all else fails, go to the playlist. Look for “Against the USA, Naked Communist Conspiracy” under the Mind Control section… Holy SHIT! Point by point.
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That’s a riot! Skooooo-zen she calls him! (It’s Skousen, as in “ow.”)
Skousen was fired by the most conservative Republican in the State of Utah, J. Bracken Lee, because Skousen was a nut.
But he could really write conspiracy fiction!
Welcome to the Pleasure Dome Ed.
I will say one thing in warning. If you come as a troll, and jumping on a pronunciation seems rather a trollish mode of attack, be warned. I do have some readers who will take your lunch, eat it, and crush your lunchbox.
Have some of those readers vette Skousen’s book, then. Skousen’s claims are trollish enough, if that’s the sort of sport you’re looking for.
Skousen didn’t see it, and maybe a few others missed it, but the Soviet Union ceased to exist at midnight, December 31, 1991. Here in Dallas we used to have one of the old statues of Lenin, out in front of Goff’s Hamburgers. The placque on it noted that it was a reminder of the Cold War, and said, “We won.”
Don’t forget that, and don’t give the victory away, okay?
Oh, indeed. I’m a hard-core small government free market capitalist, no worries there. But you must realize I was one of those people who studied the Soviet Union while it was alive. Part of my job, don’t you know. And I’m not sure of the exact wording, but this is close, “We will keep the tensions high. When it is about to explode, we will make it seem as though we have collapsed. When they open their arms to welcome us in, we will stab them in their exposed underbelly”.
I was raised on the edge. I’m from the days of the “get under your desk and kiss your ass goodbye” drills. I was in the military from the end of VN to beyond Desert Storm, and had a rather admirable security clearance. I was in Europe when the wall came down. And I don’t totally believe it’s all over. We may or may not ever face the USSR again. Fine. What about the M.E.? This world is insane, and there will always be those who want to compare endowment.
We have a known radical communist/puppet as a TOTUS, who continually appoints radical communist lunatics as his advisors. Nothing to see here, move along? It isn’t over until this nation is restored to its founding principles, and a whole shit pot of people are dangling from lamp posts. The only thing that many of our Congresscritters are good for is freezing and grinding into food for catfish farms.
Skousen’s warnings were directed at the Soviet Union. Since, as you agree, it is gone, what is the usefulness of his warnings? Zippo. Islamic terrorists are not communists, and are generally anti-communist. Different age, different threat, different response required.
Was that a typo? Did you mean “POTUS?”
You’ve forgotten what communism is. Obama doesn’t come close on any score. Most of his advisors are middle of the road — not liberal enough to pull the country back to where it belongs fast enough. Surely you don’t mean to call Paul Volcker, Ray LaHood, Jon Huntsman, Jr., Ken Salazar, or Tom Vilsack anything other than free-market capitalists.
Do you really think there are any radicals in government? I can’t think of a real one. And the hoax scares about John Holdren are too easy to see through.
What in the world are you talking about?
You forgot that part. We don’t know for sure what the hell goes on there. However.
Teleprompter Of The United States. He doesn’t speak well unless he’s reading it. Very little non-scripted thought there.
No, I remember. You’d have probably been really upset if I’d have said fascist. Communism, fascism, and socialism are all variants of the same theme. TEH ONE™ is a devout student of Alinsky, Cloward-Piven, and Marx as is obvious by his desire to control all industry
Pardon me? Say what? Liberalism is NOT what this nation was founded on, nor what made it great. Libertarianism, perhaps, but not liberalism. Freedom and limited government are what we were founded on, an escape from the monarchy/oligarchy of England. A great experiment that was cruising along just fine until the government started getting bigger, taking more control over everything and its chicken. We need CONSERVATIVES, not more like Sunstein, and Jones, and numerous others who have history of known registration as communists. ACP card carrying communists.
Cheap shot, unwarranted — Obama’s very good off the cuff. You should watch him speak some day. Most Americans are happy to have a president who can speak in sentences with accurate punctuation, and entire cogent paragraphs, without a script.
You mistake Obama’s careful preparation for inability. That’s a typical amateur mistake. Pro football players still use helmets and pads, though they know what they are doing. It’s great to have someone who knows English in the White House again, especially after the previous eight years of fumblemouth.
Somebody complaining that Obama can’t speak off the cuff is like complaining that Bush didn’t take enough vacations.
I’m upset at your ignorance of communism, fascism, history and politics. Obama fits none of the epithets you try to hang on him. Either you don’t have a clue what communism was, let alone Soviet communism, nor what fascism is, or you’re trying to get some effect from slander.
You don’t like Alinsky? Well, there goes your claim to like democratic systems. His goal was to get poor people to speak up. And if you think anything Obama proposes links to Marxism, you clearly haven’t read Marx, or maybe Obama, or maybe both. I doubt you can make a case for such a link on any policy.
And hyperbole? You’ve got it bad. “His desire to control all industry.” Got any evidence? Any at all? Following the Bush bailouts, Obama insisted on structural changes in two automakers. The changes were made in bankruptcy court, however, not by Obama. The court records are open, and were reported on heavily. Got a newspaper? Use it for more than disciplining the dog, please. In fact, stop disciplining the dog with it.
Liberalism made this nation great. Read Thomas Jefferson some day. Public schools, public support for industry, public support for farming, public support for building communities, public policies to promote health and good parenting, all contributed to making this nation rise to greatness in the 20th century. At least through a good part of the early 20th century even conservatives got the message and supported things like education.
Your concern with the American Communist Party is quaint, almost cute — but not relevant to a serious discussion of politics today.
As you will, Ed. See the failure of this social system you dream of through whatever tint you will. That is why we have the various amendments, so that you may.
Taxation was the trigger for the first revolution, a government run amok with power until the people felt oppressed to the point of violent revolt. No matter how wonderful the Utopian Ideal, human nature prevents it in the end. We are humans, not an ant colony, and no amount of indoctrination can ultimately change that fact.
Public education would be fine, if it were not used as an indoctrination vehicle, with politically correct rewrites and deletions. As Sgt Friday said, “Just the facts”. The people get together to build the houses, the villages, the farms. Lenders lend the money required for things larger than can be initially afforded by the individual, which is then repaid. Governmental loans are one thing, government assistance with strings attached quite another. Governmental control of all things is much different. Government is supposed to be servant to the people, not master.
‘Somebody mention me?
Lack of spokesmanship is a deficiency in statesmanship.
UH, uh, uh-bama is the WORST public speaker to sully the Oval Office.
Sorry CM, I know this is your troll and I shouldn’t spoil your fun, but he called me by name.
The troll wrote: “Obama’s very good off the cuff. ” ,, and declared open season on it’s self.
Lack of speaking skill is a huge deficiency in statesmanship, coupled with a natural penchant for attention. What former prez ever ran up so many hours being interviewed, while the Generals left losing his war watch their men die as a direct result of a lack of presidential war skills.
I swear, when Uh,uh,ubama said he’d have to do some investigating about the situation, two of us leaped to our feet,, “HE JUST FOUND OUT WE’RE AT WAR SOMEWHERE?” Why hasn’t he been keeping up? It sure isn’t because he cares about OUR TROOPS,, only his.
If Uh, UH, unhuh, ubama was presidential material at all, he’d know that healthcare doesn’t mean a damn thing to anyone after we lose the war on terror,
UH, uh, uh-bama is the WORST public speaker to sully the Oval Office.
Not exactly industrial grade for a troll, the smart ones stay nebulous, don’t leap straight into the drek.
If we’re going to be lied to, we pay more than enough to expect better.
BTW, Europe is going conservative, cutting taxes and stuff.
Merkel just handed the social democrats their,,er,, well, they smell the coffee now.
What ever happened to the liberal heaven?
The NYTaliban sob’s a story:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/29/world/europe/29socialism.html
This just to depress any nearby lib’s.
Ed says:
Bankrupted it, is what it made of a great nation.
I was going to put a quote here…but, well, you should reread Jefferson. Go ahead and cherry-pick some pertinent phrase if you will. The exercise will, at the very least, ping some appropriate quips onto your hardened pomposity.
Brains of mush and fear.
Now we get Cap & Trade along with the M/I complex…sweet…
Subsidized and Co-Oped and that isn’t welfare state run socialism, right?
How’s that one working for you? It’s been thirty, forty years with those Projects™ ; maybe sixty more years, okay, then it should kick in and pay off big time.
Health policies are what’s cooking right now. That is the piece of bread the trap of socialist government was baited with. Both sides like to taunt us with their benevolence has no price B/S, no side seems to know how to pay for it. Good parenting? I have seen very few pogroms…er, programs that have helped parents in my fifty years. Could you name a few?
“Both parties understand that the current system is broken. But what we can’t seem to agree upon is how to best keep it broken, while still ensuring that no elected official takes any political risk whatsoever. It’s a very complicated issue.”–Nancy Pelosi
CYA is in overdrive.
Cheap, Mike, I love the cavalry. Welcome to my approved commentators list! And thank you for your input.
About bloody time!
“Cheap shot, unwarranted — Obama’s very good off the cuff. You should watch him speak some day. Most Americans are happy to have a president who can speak in sentences with accurate punctuation, and entire cogent paragraphs, without a script.” Oh, really?
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/biden_obama_teleprompter/2009/05/27/218860.html
There’s plenty more where those came from. President Bush was not eloquent, but he never claimed that there were 57 states in the US.
“I’m upset at your ignorance of communism, fascism, history and politics. Obama fits none of the epithets you try to hang on him. Either you don’t have a clue what communism was, let alone Soviet communism, nor what fascism is, or you’re trying to get some effect from slander.”
http://www.postchronicle.com/news/original/article_212258016.shtml
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bayNhJayn_U&feature=related
Not fascism? Suuure. So, this is correct, then?
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/44/132443565_d3629120c6_o.jpg
“Liberalism made this nation great. Read Thomas Jefferson some day.”
Oh, I have, but not with your rather polarized vision. Some of his wisdom: “An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens.”
“I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.”
“Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case with the Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every free state.”
“I do not take a single newspaper, nor read one a month, and I feel myself infinitely the happier for it.”
And I recommend you read what he says about firearms:
Thomas Jefferson: “The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes….Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. Thomas Jefferson’s “Commonplace Book,” 1774-1776, quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria in Chapter 40 of “On Crimes and Punishment”, 1764.
Thomas Jefferson: “A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks.” Thomas Jefferson to Peter Carr, 1785. The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, (Memorial Edition) Lipscomb and Bergh, editors.
Thomas Jefferson: “The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed.”
Making assertions without facts to back them up is poor form if you wish a true debate. Baffling with BS only goes so far.
Dollars to donuts says Ed is a over educated, underwear salesman and drive-by trollinsky.
Ed says:
Here in the ‘City of the Big Shoulders’ we know: Alinsky ( a Capone groupy), unions, anarchists, patronage, precinct captains, Ward bosses, turf warfare, and thug politics quite well.
If you piss off the wrong neighbor the alderman’s attendants take turns screwing with you. I will never understand the book-learned who have never walked the earth and talked to the hardworking Joe on how he feels about anyone who wants a piece of what he’s worked for. Flippin’ LLL’s squirrel their booty away and point at the next guy and say “He’s got dough! He doesn’t care! Make HIM pay!”(**spit**)
The revolutionaries cried “No taxation without representation.” They did not cry “No taxation.”
It’s a subtle difference, except to freedom-loving peoples.
If you don’t understand the first revolutionary principles, it’s a pretty good bet you’ll miss anything else, later.
Mike in Chi,
Look up liberalism as a philosophy someday. The reading will at least keep you out of trouble for a while.
Those “brains of mush” saved your tail from two German threats in two world wars. Not to mention the Japanese. Not to mention inventing nuclear weapons and printed circuits. I dislike scoffing at our servicemen and countrymen and their achievements the way you do.
Cap and trade works, at an exchange in Chicago. You could learn about it locally, if you wished.
I don’t think saving farmers from foreclosure sounds like socialism. It doesn’t affect the levels of production, and in fact increased them. It didn’t make the farmers poor, it kept them economically viable and lifted them to the middle class. And it kept bread prices low. High production, fair pay for good work, low prices for the masses. I suppose you could call it socialism, though it’s not by a von Mises definition (look him up some time). But if that’s socialism, its colors are red, white and blue, and they use Uncle Sam as their logo. I’m starting to get the impression you blame America first on all things.
Government support for building communities? It worked great! Look at Denver, Phoenix, Indianapolis, Chicago, Minneapolis, and the states they are in. Look at the transcontinental railroad.
Do you seriously condemn the progress made by every public-lands state? We are still the most productive nation, as a whole — largely due to that public largesse.
Think about the water you drink and bathe with. You may dislike the “socialism” that brings it to your home, allows you to flush waste away cheaply, or use it to drink without fear of cholera. But the rest of us are grateful that you have it to bathe with.
Santayana was right, and you’re a walking demonstration of the ills of not knowing history.
Or much else.
Ed replies:
**yawn**
Nice try, mister. I scoffed at the current state of the public schools and the sorry and poorly educated past three generations. I’m sure they hang on your every word, understanding one out of five. As to what my father did and I have done you know nothing but a few words posted in haste at the bequest of person that I hold in high regard.
What a wizard you are! NOT! Two of my brothers work for brokers at the Commodity Exchange (Board of Trade, if you wish) It is not at all, or has anything to do with, what was sent through legislation at the Fed this summer.
Ed replies:
**yawn**
Nice try, mister. I scoffed at the current state of the public schools and the sorry and poorly educated past three generations. I’m sure they hang on your every word, understanding one out of five. As to what my father did and I have done you know nothing but a few words posted in haste at the bequest of person that I hold in high regard.
What a wizard you are! NOT! Two of my brothers work for brokers at the Commodity Exchange (Board of Trade, if you wish) It is not at all, or has anything to do with, what was sent through legislation at the Fed this summer.
Man, you are a jumble of historical artifacts; willfully skipping about them like a political hack trying to bate me into your hyperbole. Free market does not involve the government as much as large combines involves the government. Some big help that’s been to the private farm owner in the past seventy years.
I get the impression your not very good at this.
You have never been to Gary, IN at night have you.
Chicago born and bred sucker. I saw the ‘Projects’ built, filled, drilled, killed and they have not improved this city, state or any other city/state.
Yeah, with a tax rate that could climb as high as 65% to the general public and we would still be better off than all of Europe. Cram me into a Procrustean bed if you think you can. From my small exchange you assume to much.
Yeah, yeah, yeah…what a clever turn of phrase. I bow to your brilliant wit. **but first, I turn my back and drop my drawers**
What, who, how much, and how fast I can reload you will never know.
We’ll see, chump.
The schools have been under attack from you guys now for 50 years. You haven’t brought them down yet, but David Gardner was right: Had the Soviets presented us with such a rising tide of mediocrity, we’d have declared war.
You continue the attack. Don’t let the Statue of Liberty catch you as leave, she’ll try to fry your butt.
Some of the radicals might have been right. If you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem. Rarely do we find people so proud of being the latter, though. No time to reload your thoughts — you get called on the bluff, you seek protection in the Second Amendment.
It gives you the right to bear arms in defense of the country, though. It doesn’t give you the right to act stupidly to tear it down. That’s not even a penumbral right.
I sir, seek protection where I need and when I need it. I am very mediocre in my family and my lifestyle. I do not present a threat to my neighbors or you. The Second Amendment gives me the right to own arms and to form a well regulated militia, if needs be.
Who the f***idy, f***, f*** is ‘you guys’?
*SIGH* Ed, look here. Like I said, public schools can be a good thing IF they present “just the facts” and do away with the warm touchy feely shit. I’ll buy that. But there must be no “curve”, there must be no “racial consideration”, none of that shit at all. Percentages, pass/fail. Equal schooling across the nation, fine. Percentages, pass/fail. Period. LOOK AT THE LINK!
LOOK AT THE LINK! And maybe some other post. This gets tiresome.
And, are you stuck on this one or do you want to look at something else?
And btw?, those persons from the 2 world wars were educated in other than the modern liberal philosophy. When were you born, dude? I was born in 1955. And you are correct in that the schools have been going downhill. But that has been at the hands of the LIBERALS!
I truly tire of this fencing with rubber swords.
This poltroon is a lost voice in a Sargasso Sea of rotten ideas. He is the flotsam of confused elitism bouncing around the intertubes trying to find someone to belittle and scuff at.
Sure Ed, you’re so right…I shall now end my useless life………………………….**BANG**
Oh crap I missed…now I gotta fix the roof, again.
Sweet. Trigger control dude. Remember, gun control is hitting your target. BWAHAHAHAHA!!!
Sorry.
Dang but you’re tenacious Mike, tha troll should be flattered.
Direct comparisons are critical in evidence evaluation, so long as they’re relevant.
Truncating historical facts for fit whatever agenda is being belabored is playbook liberal distraction technique.
Attention Deficit Disorder should be medicated, not engaged.
Intellectual discourse seldom works with them, as their mission is not so much one of discovery or education, but a hyper verbose attempt at self gratification.
The problem is, ya just can’t fill such a perforated vessel.
By the time that the actual historical facts are illuminated, the troll has already launched a dozen other topics.
Each time a topic is changed or abandoned without a resolution or agreement, it’s just another forfeit by the fleeing troll.
OH! You mean O
samabama.Gosh!
Welcome tweell. Pull up a chair, grab some popcorn, and feel free to wander around and find other stuff to talk about. Beer in the fridge, don’t make a mess. Or clean it up at a minimum.
Despite your post time, it just showed up. Sorry about that.
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What form of “liberalism”?
The kind that was prevalent in America in the late 18th century?
Or the kind that is prevalent in America in the early 21st century?
Only a cock-straddling leftwing dipshit would seriously contend that they are one and the same.
Several times. But I’ve seen other places, too.
Turn on your PBS station tonight, watch Ken Burns. Chill out. A little history would do you good.
A lot of history would be even better.
Getalis! Woot! What up, oh Imperial Czar of Pharmacology? Perchance you can show this poor misguided youth the truth.
PBS? It is to laugh. If that is your education on matters historic, I can understand your dilemma. If you watch the Algebra 101 educational programs, those are good. Ancient History perhaps. Recent history? I’ve been places they’ve talked about during the times they discuss. I know many others who’ve been in other places they discuss. They oft times “twist the facts” just a tad, I know, I WAS THERE.
As for the lame stream mediots, Always Been Crap, Nothing But Crap, and Communist Bull Shit, and “news sources” such as the Crescent News Nutwork (who broadcast battle plans before an attack, and then were outraged that they’d been fed misinformation as a test), they tend to distort and delete things that you really need to know before you understand the whole situation.
Most famous example, although there are many more I could present much more recent, was the Walter Cronkite/Tet Offensive scenario. Yes, the screaming communist NVA horde attacked with everything they had including the kitchen sink and the nifty 1/4″ drive socket set. The part that was deleted was that we slaughtered them wholesale, and totally kicked their asses. That part got left out. Thus, the leftist modification to the news caused great furor at home.
CM, don’t you just love it when they suggest a history lesson from a philosophy wonk?
Trolls…they don’t have two brain cells to rub together to start a fire.
Like the blog! I’ll stop back!
I don’t know what I could add to the slapdown here, but it’s obvious that Ed is mistaking classic Liberalism for what passes for it today (hint; classical Liberalism is what we would call libertarianism today, and today’s liberalism would more properly be called statism).
I attended public school in Iowa during the 70′s and early 80′s and it was still pretty good. Of course, it was a small community school where everyone knew everyone else, and my nieces and nephews had some of the same teachers many years later. The schools that I have had to deal with when my kids were attending were less stellar, to say the least. And who, exactly, has been in charge of schools since at least the late 60′s? Here’s a hint, look at the political leanings of most college professors. “Rising tide of mediocrity” indeed.
Are you losing your edge, boyo? History gooood….me likes it, mmmmm…
Been to Gary, huh. Would you like a little tour, sweety. I promise you’ll go away impressed. I know a developer who owns a third of the depressed downtown real property. Or if you wish, we can do a walk-a-bout two and a half miles directly east of my home and visit Fenger H/S where that young man was beaten to death by a crowd of gangbangers and a cell phone video of it went viral.
As our host said, “I was there”. What the newsies don’t say is it happens nearly –Every Day!– since school has started.
This clown is on topic as an example of Lenin’s useful idiots. I hope I don’t get basement patrol in the mop-up and have to drag his stanky ass to the funeral biers or the trench.
Mr. Darrell has strangely familiar ‘debating’ techniques. Let’s see… Lofty ‘I know better than you’ attitude – check. Assertions that are unfounded and divorced from reality – check. Instant switching to another subtopic when called on it – check. Cmblake6, you have a Markadelphia clone here! Be proud, and enjoy your liberal punching bag. Don’t expect him to learn or change, though.
Looked at yours blackandgoldfan, not bad at all! Welcome to my world!
Entirely possible, tweell. Ah well, if you’re getting lefties attacking you must be hitting some nerves.
Indeed Mike. They want the world to be as they see it, but it isn’t. As I’ve said elsewhere, be a pragmatist. Realize that you can work toward something, but realize that this is how it is until you get there.
Larry, ya done good. And you’ve hit the descriptive on the head exactly.
Roger that, Cheapshot. There is a huge difference when looking at anything from a tainted philosophical bent. “Just the facts”.
Those who deny reality will forever be lost in hallucination. 65%? Where? How?
But then you forgot that Chicago, and all of Illinois, and Wisconsin, and Minnesota, and Michigan, and Indiana, were public lands states, projects of a new federal government to “dispose” of public lands, with a special set aside to establish schools to educate all children.
To you, history dates back to 1960. To wise people, the sweep of history before 1960 gets consideration, too.
That’s why all the intelligent people have tried to move on FROM that pre-1960 existence. Those who continue to dwell on it are pushing us back to it.