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01/22/2013

But guns are not the only issue that has led America to the brink of civil war.

This president has told too many lies, exhibited too much unbridled arrogance, and overstepped the Constitutional limits on his power too often on a number of issues to be let off the hook. So have his enablers in Congress, most of whom are Democrats, although a few Republicans have helped him as well.

19 Comments
  1. poetopoet permalink
    01/23/2013 07:26

    My edit: But a gun is the only issue that will end America’s civil war, just ask Ab Lincoln.

  2. upaces88 permalink
    01/23/2013 08:12

    That is true, Poet and that IS EXACTLY why he is going after them!

  3. poetopoet permalink
    01/23/2013 11:47

    NEW YORK – If lawmakers and authorities are truly concerned about stopping gun violence in schools, they need to take a close look at the prescription of psychotropic drugs for children and young people, says a leading psychiatrist.

    In an exclusive in-person interview in New York City with WND, London-based Dr. David Healy criticized pharmaceutical companies that have made billions of dollars marketing Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors, known as SSRIs.

    Psychotropic drugs “prescribed for school children cause violent behavior,” Healy stated. The drugs are widely used in the U.S. as antidepressants by doctors working in the mental health field and increasingly by primary care doctors, he noted.

    Healey insisted the problem today is that doctors working with schools to control the behavior of children are inclined to prescribe SSRI drugs without serious consideration of adverse consequences.

    “The pharmaceutical companies made these drugs with the idea of making money,” he said. “There’s a wide range of problems when it comes to looking at these drugs for children. Very few children have serious problems that warrant treatment with pills that have the risks SSRI drugs have.”

    The drugs can make children “aggressive and hostile,” he noted.

    “Children taking SSRI drugs are more likely to harm or to injure other children at school,” said Healy. “The child may be made suicidal.

    “We are giving drugs to children who are passing through critical development stages, and as a society we are really conducting a vast experiment and no one really knows what the outcome of that will be.”

    Healey cautioned that there is a very high correlation between mass shootings and use of the drugs.

    “When roughly nine out of every 10 cases in these school shootings and mass shootings involve these drugs being prescribed, then at least a significant proportion of these cases were either caused by the drugs or the drugs made a significant contribution to the problem,” he said.

    President Obama, in a series of 23 presidential memoranda and proclamations signed last week, called for the Centers for Disease control to undertake research to examine gun violence and to explore medical means to control the problem.

    WND contended that putting more mental illness screening into schools would actually increase the incidence of school shootings, not reduce the violence.

    “You can draw a line between the number of child psychiatrists in the United States and the number of school shootings, and you will find that both have gone up in the same direction at the same time,” he said.

    He sees a “propaganda campaign” being conducted in the U.S. in the wake of the Aurora, Colo., cinema shooting and the Newtown, Conn., school shooting asserting gun violence is being caused by mental illness and could be stopped by additional school programs that screen for it.

    “If school children are screened for mental illness problems, this presumably will lead more medical doctors to put more students on more pills,” he said. “I would predict then the outcome of more school screenings for mental illness will be more mass killings, even if the guns are taken away and the mass killings are not done with guns.”

    He cautioned shareholders of pharmaceutical companies to realize share prices can be adversely affected should judges and juries determine the companies bear legal liabilities. Law enforcement investigators could conclude one of the company’s medications was prescribed to a child who ended up perpetrating a school shooting.

    Healy cautioned that medical doctors who prescribe pills do not necessarily cure mental illness problems.

    He argued that today medical doctors are inclined to solve a wide range of health problems by prescribing drugs. In previous generations, however, extended families were capable of providing a context of family history to understand behavioral problems and to identify a wide range of problem-solving treatments. The families understood the issue as a developmental problem better treated by family intervention than by medicine.

    “Market research, for instance, has made pharmaceutical companies realize it is much harder to sell drugs for Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, ADHD, in a home or a community where the child’s grandmother is likely to be present,” he explained. “Because, of course, the grandmother may say, ‘That kid doesn’t need pills. His father was just like him, and look, his father turned out alright.’ Medicine intervenes with pills when communities have lost their roots in families.”

    Healy also expressed distress that information available to pharmaceutical companies exposing adverse side effects of SSRI medications is not made available to the public.

    To solve this problem, Healy has created a website, RxISK.org, that allows the posting of personal experiences with SSRI drugs by people who have had personal experience or have had partners, parents, children or friends injured by them. These are people, the website says, “who have found themselves trapped in a Kafkaesque world when they have sought help from doctors, regulators, or others who seem to be there to help us”

    The goal of RxISK.org is to create a database open to the public that provides a report a patient can take to a doctor or pharmacist to support and inform a conversation about the adverse sides of a particular SSRI drug.

    Independently, a sortable database of 4,800 cases in which SSRI drugs have been associated with violent behavior in the U.S. and worldwide has been posted on the Internet, compiled from incidents that have appeared in the media, scientific journals and Federal Drug Administration testimony.

    SSRI drugs covered in the sortable database include Prozac (fluoxetine), Zoloft (sertraline), Paxil (paroxetine), Celexa (citalopram), Lexapro (escitalopram) and Luvox (fluvoxamine)

  4. 01/23/2013 12:30

    Are they prescribing these drugs to drive the kids over the edge?

  5. upaces88 permalink
    01/23/2013 14:30

    I’ve worked with those kids in a couple of Psychiatric ICU(s) during my internships. I don’t know what the answer is except for the doctors to monitor them MUCH closer and much more often.

    Their brain chemistry is already screwed up which causes the behavior. The meds “for a while” help them to cope and be closer to normal.

    HOWEVER!!! When the meds Need to be changed (either by type of med or dosage)… the psychiatrists are soooo busy making $$, they don’t call them back when they do call to get help. There is usually a recorded message when a patient calls:

    “If you are having a problem, call 911 and go to the closest Psychiatric Hospital.”
    I have personal knowledge about this. It was my child. She called for THREE DAYS (3) pleading to get into to see the doctor. that was before the psychotic break.
    She had been calling the doctor as I mentioned, I even called and left a message saying, “I know you, by law, cannot talk to me, but please call her back, she is going down hill fast.”

    She got where she couldn’t even communicate with me so was so OUT THERE. So, she showed me as she held an “Exacto blade” to her throat and made the motion of cutting her own throat..

    I ended up having to call for a Mental Health Warrant on my own child.

    Prior to all of this, my daughter was in an abusive marriage and tried to stay in thinking they could work things out. He had no intentions of working anything out.

    When there is an extended period of severe stress, the brain stops producing enough of the appropriate chemicals causing a psychotic break. It is similar to driving your car from Texas to California on one quart of oil. The engine is ruined.

    The bottom line? There needs to be an investigation into the doctors who treat these people. Believe me, I do know…many of them love that $ coming in and will do the least possible for “follow-up”visits vs. NEW patients they get in the Psychiatric ICU(s).

  6. 01/23/2013 14:42

    What I meant was, are they using this AS a tool to create these psychotic breaks?

  7. upaces88 permalink
    01/23/2013 15:03

    OMG, CW, that never crossed my mind!
    Oooo, My Precious God…that would do it. The right med and/or the wrong dosage can drive someone to “magnify” their worst behavior.

  8. 01/23/2013 21:14

    Precisely. Throw in a bit of post-hypnotic suggestion, and away you go.

  9. upaces88 permalink
    01/24/2013 23:54

    CM, that would be sooo easy to do…I mean “easy”.
    Makes me ….makes me now wonder…he would do something like that OR rather have it done!

  10. upaces88 permalink
    01/24/2013 23:56

    CM, at one time I was on Anti-depressants for about 6 months. By accident, I took two. I felt like I had ALZ or something….I just remembered this after what you said. I barely made it home and just let it finally wear off.

    BUY! If you did the same thing to a person knowing WHICH drug to use….it would be easy to tell them what to do IF they were already “bent” in that direction of behavior.

  11. upaces88 permalink
    01/24/2013 23:58

    I just poured myself another cup of coffee and was thinking about it. CM, that would be sooo easy to do that to someone who was already mentally unstable.

  12. 01/25/2013 00:03

    TAAAADAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  13. upaces88 permalink
    01/25/2013 00:11

    OM Lord….it would be “very” easy. Think about it….anyone with that much power could easily find just that “right” person and point them in a specified direction.
    Hmmm, did they ever say “how” the person got there? Walk? Drive? Who drove?
    That would be an issue to consider. Those drugs i the wrong dossage? You can’t drive yourself.

  14. 01/25/2013 00:52

    Does tickle the brain, eh?

  15. upaces88 permalink
    01/25/2013 00:55

    “IF” it was investigated…it wouldn’t be that hard to find out….isn’t that interesting that there has been NO REAL investigation…A CLEAR, DECISIVE INVESTIGATION.

    Hmmm.

  16. 01/25/2013 00:56

    Of course not. “They” would then have to take legal action, and we know it is above the law.

  17. upaces88 permalink
    01/25/2013 00:57

    IF they were overdosed on something…you can’t drive…you can’t be pointed into a direction. You don’t even know where “exactly” you are. Nothing really looks familiar.

    I knew of a patient that came into the ICU of the Psychiatric Unit I was interning in… she thought she was in Austin TX. She had no idea that she was in Dallas.

  18. upaces88 permalink
    01/25/2013 00:58

    Otherwise, she was functioning. she could talk…tell you her name…she didn’t know how she got there or exactly where she was.

  19. 01/25/2013 01:12

    Brain baked. Seen it.

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