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I’m going to let Dr. Jeff say it


This is a response that, despite being so short, is totally to the point. It includes links, and you knew this was going to be the illogical response I told you to be watching for.

We are well and truly screwed. This time it looks as if even the NRA is going to sell us out. Yahoo news has this article;–politics.html

What Yahoo doesn’t include is this quote from the NRA that I found in the Daily Mail;

“The National Rifle Association, meanwhile, which had been unusually silence following Friday’s shootings issued a statement Tuesday which offered it condolences to the families of the victims and announced that it would be making a ‘meaningful’ announcement on Friday to ‘make sure this never happens again.’”

Here’s the Daily Mail article;

We’re looking at the most massive and aggressive anti gun movement of the last 50 years.

The logical response is to train and arm those responsible for the protection of our children, to “make sure this never happens again”. Any other concept besides that is knee jerk bullshit, and I will say it again: The level of horror can only have been designed and engineered. This was planned and executed by this government for this reason. There can be no clearer picture.

  1. 12/19/2012 06:12

    Via Instapundit

    The linked picture sums up the depth of how anti American this president is

    No more evidence is needed in how the ruling class is at war to subjugate us.

  2. upaces88 permalink
    12/19/2012 08:45

    Ronald Reagan: We must reject the idea that every time a law is broken, society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his actions.

  3. 12/19/2012 10:15

    FX, we’ve known that since it’s Ill politik days.

  4. poetopoet permalink
    12/19/2012 10:17

    I am so sorry to be witness to this killing of our freedoms.

    A Dr. was on a radio show recently and said she did the toxicology report on the last three mass murders and said they should have never been given the antidepressants they were on, because they all lacked a certain enzyme in their blood. She said she will find the Sandy Hook killer lacked it too, a simple blood test would confirm they should never get Prozac type antidepressants. (on a search now for her name etc.)

    Take the liberal minds drugs way, never!

  5. poetopoet permalink
    12/19/2012 10:26

    Health Impact News Editor Comment: The Telegraph and other sources are reporting that James Holmes, the alleged “Joker” gunman, dosed up on prescription medication before going on a shooting rampage. Holmes, 24, is accused of shooting dead 12 people and injuring 58 in the rampage during a premiere of Batman film The Dark Knight Rises in Aurora, Colorado. The suspect made his first public appearance today in court (see video above), prompting some media reporters to comment that it appeared he was on some sort of medication based on his actions in court.

    The Telegraph is reporting that after the massacre, Holmes calmly told detectives he had taken the prescription painkiller Vicodin, and identified himself as “The Joker”. The same drug was found in the system of actor Heath Ledger when he died of an accidental overdose of prescription drugs in 2008. Ledger played The Joker in the previous Batman film The Dark Knight. Vicodin side-effects can include euphoria, paranoia and, in rare cases, hallucinations. It will be interesting to see if the media will continue to ask questions regarding Holmes’ possible prescription drug abuse, especially given the fact that he was a medical student specializing in neuroscience.

    This tragic event is another sad commentary regarding the role of prescription drug use in mass murders and acts of violence. The Citizens Commission on Human Rights International lists the 10 recent murders and murder-suicides, resulting in 43 dead and 37 wounded, that were linked to prescription drug useage:

    Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania – March 8, 2012: 30-year-old John Shick, former patient of University of Pittsburgh Medical Center (UPMC) and former student at nearby Duquesne University, shot and killed one and injured six inside UPMC’s Western Psychiatrist Institute. Nine antidepressants were identified among the drugs police found in Shick’s apartment.
    Seal Beach, California – October 12, 2011: Scott DeKraai, a harbor tugboat worker, entered the hair salon where his ex-wife worked, killing her and seven others and injuring one. At DeKraai’s initial hearing, his attorney indicated to the judge that DeKraai was prescribed the antidepressant Trazodone and the “mood stabilizer” Topamax.
    Lakeland, Florida – May 3, 2009: Toxicology test results showed that 34-year-old Troy Bellar was on Tegretol, a drug prescribed for “bi-polar disorder,” when he shot and killed his wife and two of his three children in their home before killing himself.
    Granberry Crossing, Alabama – April 26, 2009: 53-year-old Fred B. Davis shot and killed a police officer and wounded a sheriff’s deputy who had responded to a call that Davis had threatened a neighbor with a gun. Prescription drug bottles found at the scene showed that Davis was prescribed the antipsychotic drug Geodon.
    Middletown, Maryland – April 17, 2009: Christopher Wood shot and killed his wife, three small children and himself inside their home. Toxicology test results verified that Wood had been taking the antidepressants Cymbalta and Paxil and the anti-anxiety drugs BuSpar and Xanax.
    Concord, California – January 11, 2009: Jason Montes, 33, shot and killed his wife and then himself at home. Montes had earlier begun taking the antidepressant Prozac for depression related to his impending divorce and a recent bankruptcy.
    Little Rock, Arkansas – August 14, 2008: Less than 48 hours after Timothy Johnson shot and killed Arkansas Democratic Party Chairman Bill Gwatney, the Little Rock Police declared they were investigating shooter’s use of the antidepressant Effexor, which was found in Johnson’s house. A Little Rock city police report later stated that Johnson “was on an anti-depressant and that the drug may have played a part in his ‘irrational and violent behavior.’”
    Dekalb, Illinois – February 14, 2008: 27-year-old Steven Kazmierczak shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amount of Xanax in his system.
    North Meridian, Florida – July 8, 2003: Doug Williams killed five and wounded nine of his fellow Lockheed Martin employees before killing himself. Williams was reported as having been taking two antidepressants, Zoloft and Celexa, for depression after a failed marriage.
    Wakefield, Massachusetts – December 26, 2000: 42-year-old computer technician Michael McDermott had been taking three antidepressants when he hunted down employees in the accounting and human resources offices where he worked, killing seven.


    At least thirteen of the recent school shootings (including Columbine Colorado ) were committed by those taking or withdrawing from psychiatric drugs. There have been 109 wounded and 58 killed.

    Huntsville, Alabama – February 5, 2012: 15-year-old Hammad Memon shot and killed another Discover Middle School student Todd Brown. Memon had a history for being treated for ADHD and depression. He was taking the antidepressant Zoloft and “other drugs for the conditions.”
    Kauhajoki, Finland – September 23, 2008: 22-year-old culinary student Matti Saari shot and killed 9 students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine.
    Dekalb, Illinois – February 14, 2008: 27-year-old Steven Kazmierczak shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amount of Xanax in his system.
    Jokela, Finland – November 7, 2007: 18-year-old Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School in southern Finland, then committed suicide.
    Cleveland, Ohio – October 10, 2007: 14-year-old Asa Coon stormed through his school with a gun in each hand, shooting and wounding four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon had been placed on the antidepressant Trazodone.
    Red Lake, Minnesota – March 2005: 16-year-old Jeff Weise, on Prozac, shot and killed his grandparents, then went to his school on the Red Lake Indian Reservation where he shot dead 7 students and a teacher, and wounded 7 before killing himself.
    Greenbush, New York – February 2004: 16-year-old Jon Romano strolled into his high school in east Greenbush and opened fire with a shotgun. Special education teacher Michael Bennett was hit in the leg. Romano had been taking “medication for depression”.
    El Cajon, California – March 22, 2001: 18-year-old Jason Hoffman, on the antidepressants Celexa and Effexor, opened fire on his classmates, wounding three students and two teachers at Granite Hills High School.
    Williamsport, Pennsylvania – March 7, 2001: 14-year-old Elizabeth Bush was taking the antidepressant Prozac when she shot at fellow students, wounding one.
    Conyers, Georgia – May 20, 1999: 15-year-old T.J. Solomon was being treated with antidepressants when he opened fire on and wounded six of his classmates.
    Columbine, Colorado – April 20, 1999: 18-year-old Eric Harris and his accomplice, Dylan Klebold, killed 12 students and a teacher and wounded 26 others before killing themselves. Harris was on the antidepressant Luvox. Klebold’s medical records remain sealed.
    Notus, Idaho – April 16, 1999: 15-year-old Shawn Cooper fired two shotgun rounds in his school, narrowly missing students. He was taking a prescribed SSRI antidepressant and Ritalin.
    Springfield, Oregon – May 21, 1998: 15-year-old Kip Kinkel murdered his parents and then proceeded to school where he opened fire on students in the cafeteria, killing two and wounding 25. Kinkel had been taking the antidepressant Prozac.


    See also: Holmes’ psychiatrist was disciplined by Colorado Medical Board

  6. Dr. Jeff permalink
    12/19/2012 10:58

    Hi Poe, you’re spot on with that. I might debate that there are many instances where psychotropic drugs are beneficial, but there can be no doubt that the effects of the drugs on individual patients, especially when administered as a “cocktail” need much more careful monitoring.

    Too many doctors simply start playing musical meds when a patient presents some sort of emotional distress. Eventually the patient is so doped up that he or she has quits complaining because they are stoned out of their gourds. I saw just that happen with a former neighbor of mine, an LAPD officer who was feeling down during the recovery period following knee surgery. One day I came home and found her wandering in the ally behind her unit, unable comprehend how to get into her home and barely aware of anything else.

    This is part of another comment, but I think it bears repeating here.

    Interesting and perhaps useful is that the number of deaths from “medical misadventures” (great euphemism) far exceeds gun deaths. It can be argued that doctors save many more lives than they take, but we generally hold the doctors harmless when their mistakes kill people. That’s forgiving a lot of killing.

    Think about that. Doctor’s mistakes kill more people than guns by a huge margin. No one does anything about it. The subject is rarely talked about.

  7. 12/19/2012 11:58

    Scary, isn’t it? This lunatic was wound up and pointed by a group that needed an extreme tragedy for their gun control platform they’ve waited so long to enact. Again, F&F didn’t work so they needed something even worse.

  8. poetopoet permalink
    12/19/2012 12:09

    No control, these mass tragic events are pathetic commentaries, when the only proven link to them all, are legal drugs. The role prescription drugs in mass murders and in untold acts of violence and suicides are linked by prescription drug use. By doctors who proscribe them wantonly and parents who escape their duties, because of a doctor’s order, who never bothered to check if the person’s enzyme was able to tolerate them, by a simple blood test, for Prozac Ritalin Luvox Celexa Effexor Trazodone Zoloft Topamax benzodiazepine and many more reactions, called side-effects.

    There is no Constitutional Right to take or manufacture drugs that kill you or drive you insane. But there is the Constitutional Right to bear arms, to protect yourself, your family and your property from a drug crazed killers and thieves who do want to kill you and steal your property or rape your wife and children. It’s called the Second Amendment, for without it, we would really need to be on those drugs too.

    Autos kill 50,000 people, young and old every year; do you stop their production or use? No you do not! You make them safer with seat-belts, air-bags better engineering and a regular license test to see if you can operate your auto safely at any speed.

    Neither, not by lobbying congress to speed up any company’s drug passage and profit margin, for we are intelligent people who buy their stocks and take their drugs as told, next.

  9. 12/19/2012 12:44

    Well said, poet. I rarely can expect less than that you hit it squarely on the head.

  10. upaces88 permalink
    12/19/2012 14:47

    Well, slap the back of my head, CM! I hadn’t put that together. F&F wasn’t bad enough? There MUST be something we are overlooking…someone in D.C. having something to do with this behind the scenes somehow?

  11. 12/19/2012 14:48

    Apparently they got caught out on F&F. Nope, that wouldn’t work so they needed something even worse.

  12. upaces88 permalink
    12/19/2012 14:56

    F&F, Libya and now this…..The polls on “taking the guns” still look bad for them.
    Using their logic, then we need to take away all of the large pick-up trucks, baseball bats, tennis rackets, etc. After all, someone might get hurt.

    Ronald Reagan: We must reject the idea that every time a law is broken, society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his actions.

  13. 12/19/2012 14:58

    Exactly, thank you. But the legal system has been used to reinforce the “somebody elses fault” meme for nearly the entire last two decades, if not more.

  14. upaces88 permalink
    12/19/2012 15:00

    Well, hell, it is the “Yin and the Yang” thang…and it MUST be about time for it to now swing the other way!

  15. 12/19/2012 15:02

    We may but hope.

  16. upaces88 permalink
    12/19/2012 15:06

    I feel silly even saying this. I took a poll about the guns. I must say, I wasn’t surprised at the results at all. There was just a very tiny segment of people who thought the guns should be taken away.

    What disturbs me is that he doesn’t pay attention to polls;right vs. wrong; history of countries who DID take the guns away in the negative EXCEPT to use, for example, how Hitler and others have taken over other countries when the guns were taken away..

    He does NOT CARE about polls, public opinion; right vs. wrong!.

  17. 12/19/2012 15:13

    Yes, it DID consider what happens in all the countries that have taken away guns from people. They can no longer resist the government. And no, it does not care about polls about people of this nation retaining their freedom. How silly of you to think it might.

  18. upaces88 permalink
    12/19/2012 15:17

    There was a video a couple of days ago made in England. The citizens were protesting and telling the USA, “DO NOT ALLOW THEM TO TAKE YOUR GUNS AWAY!”

  19. 12/19/2012 15:23

    And that doesn’t make a rats ass to Ovomit.

  20. upaces88 permalink
    12/19/2012 15:27

    No, it doesn’t; and the sad thing is, it doesn’t matter to anyone in D.C. We are invisible to them.

  21. 12/19/2012 15:55

    Invisibility allows you to sneak up.

  22. upaces88 permalink
    12/19/2012 15:57

    That is true!

  23. 12/19/2012 16:04

    Yes it is.

  24. upaces88 permalink
    12/19/2012 16:07

    I DO hope I am wrong…there is so much fight against “taking the guns”….we are prime right now for a horrible final act of violence using guns for him to push it even harder.

  25. Dr. Jeff permalink
    12/19/2012 16:15

    Gallup can be considered fairly mainstream as an organization. Here is their latest poll on how to control gun violence. Admittedly, almost half of the people think gun bans are a good idea, but it’s still in 4th place behind police and mental health issues. As well, 36% think gun bans are ineffective, marking it as the 2nd worst idea out of the 6 presented.

    Apparently most people who aren’t Democrats have their heads screwed on fairly well. The politicians who will say that Americans are demanding gun bans are lieing (as usual).

    There are several other interesting points as well. It’s worth a quick read.

  26. 12/19/2012 16:24

    May be, but taking away the 2A is wrong.

  27. Dr. Jeff permalink
    12/19/2012 16:29

    No kidding, but at least we know that we are not in a minority here.

    Removing or infringing the RKBA is wrong in Constitutional terms and it’s wrong in moral terms.

    Without the right of self defense AND the means to carry that out, you have no rights at all.

  28. 12/19/2012 16:58

    FUCKING BINGO!!!!!!!!!!

  29. upaces88 permalink
    12/19/2012 19:50

    That IS exactly what they want….lambs to the slaughter.

  30. 12/19/2012 23:34

    Boom, got it.

  31. upaces88 permalink
    12/20/2012 08:15

    He filed a law suit against gallop because he didn’t like his widdle bitty numbers before the election.

    Check out this poll:

  32. 12/20/2012 09:03


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